Sunday, March 7, 2010

Haidl, Jaramillo, and Carona - Bill Hunt Lays It Out

As we reported, March 1, 2010, FFFF’s Travis Kiger, Fullerton businessman Larry Lazar and myself sat down with Bill Hunt, 2010 candidate for Orange County Sheriff. The roundtable discussion was an opportunity to ask some important questions that we think are on the minds of voters. No topic was off-limits.

"At the end of the day, my captain and I were sold out by a sheriff and assistant sheriffs, Jaramillo and Haidl, who were involved in this thing behind the scenes and then lied about it and tried to hang it on me."

First, for those not familiar with the story of Assistant Sheriff, Don Haidl and his son Greg Haidl who was on trial for raping and sexually assaulting an unconscious teen, here is a brief timeline of events from the OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/haidl-22345-greg-three.html):

July 4, 2002: Jane Doe and three girlfriends travel to Corona del Mar for a pool party at the home of then-Orange County Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl. Doe says she has sex with Keith Spann and Greg Haidl, then 17, and swims nude in the pool with Kyle Nachreiner, then 17.


July 5, 2002: Jane Doe returns to the Haidl house. Shortly after midnight, Jane Doe says she is feeling intoxicated and reportedly passes out. Greg Haidl begins videotaping as Nachreiner and Spann have sex with her. The video shows all three boys inserting objects into her and mugging for the camera.


July 9, 2002: The video camera is left at a Balboa house. A visiting teenage girl finds it and gives it to authorities.


July 10 and 11, 2002: Greg Haidl, Nachreiner and Spann are arrested by Newport Beach police.


Jan. 30, 2003: The three are ordered to stand trial. Superior Court Judge Everett Dickey says the girl was unconscious during the videotaped episode and that the defendants "used her like a piece of meat."


Oct. 26, 2003: Greg Haidl is questioned by an Orange County sheriff's deputy after he is found videotaping late-night skateboarding in San Clemente. The deputy finds a small quantity of marijuana in the SUV in which Haidl had been a passenger. The teenager is given a ride to his mother's house.


March 17, 2004: Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona fires Assistant Sheriff George Jaramillo, who had been under investigation for interfering with the investigation into Greg Haidl's rape case and trying to keep the marijuana incident under wraps.


June 28, 2004: A jury of eight men and four women cannot reach a verdict, and a mistrial is declared. Hours after the deadlock, Greg Haidl meets a 16-year-old girl at a get-together at his father's home. He is charged with the statutory rape of that girl three weeks later.


Aug. 6, 2004: Prosecutors streamline their new case against the three by dropping 15 of 24 felony counts, potentially giving the defendants a shot at probation if convicted at a second trial.


Sept. 24, 2004: Don Haidl, who as assistant sheriff ran the department's 600-member reserve program, resigns the volunteer position, saying he wants to focus on his family and help his son.



March 23, 2005: A second jury convicts Haidl, Spann and Nachreiner of several counts of sexual assault against the drunken 16-year-old girl. None of the men is convicted of rape or assault with a deadly weapon.


Oct. 21, 2005: Judge Frank Briseo rules the trio will be sentenced as adults instead of juveniles, due to the sophistication and seriousness of the crimes.


Dec. 29, 2005: Jane Doe sues Greg Haidl, Spann, Nach-reiner and others involved with the case, seeking at least $26 million in damages for sexually battery, emotional distress and invasion of privacy.


Jan. 6, 2006: A probation report is revealed that recommends the men receive prison sentences.

GS: You’ve taken a lot of criticism for some events that happened a long time ago with Haidl’s son, specifically the October 26, 2003 incident. We want to give you a chance to tell us what happened?

BH: “Here’s what happened. At the end of the day, my captain and I were sold out by a sheriff and assistant sheriffs, Jaramillo and Haidl, who were involved in this thing behind the scenes and then lied about it and tried to hang it on me. And you’ll remember by that time I was candidate for the office [sheriff].”

Hunt continues, saying “This is the one thing my opponents have been using against me. Greg Haidl was the son of Don Haidl and he was out on bail on a rape charge, a gang-rape charge, and we knew he lived in San Clemente. He was living with his mom, his dad actually lived in Newport Beach, his parents were separated. I knew he’d lived there but I hadn’t had any contact with him. In fact I never did have any direct contact with Don Haidl ever that I’m aware of. I think I saw him in the hallway at headquarters one time and up there at a meeting. About 10 o’clock at night, 10:30 or something like that, I get a call from my sergeant. And I had only been the chief down there for 6 months and this was a calamity of errors and boy I learned my lesson on this one. I get a call from Dick Downing, he was one of two hold-overs from the original San Clemente Police Department. And Dick Downing was a physical wreck, God rest is soul, he just passed away this year, he was a mess. He was one of these guys who stayed on the nights, did not want to deal with the brass. But he handled his stuff pretty well and the guys liked him.

               Deputy Roche                                                                                                                                             Gregory Haidl

He calls me and says, ‘Bill, I’m out here in the field, we’ve got Greg Haidl, there’s pot in the car, it’s not his pot. I’ve already taken him home. I just wanted you to let you know because of who it is.’ I’m like, ‘It’s not his pot?’ [Dick Downing replies] ‘Not his pot.’ [Hunt says] ‘You sure’, [Dick Downing replies] ‘Yes.’ I said ‘Great, not a problem.’  To me, this is a nothing deal. It’s marijuana to the chief of police. It means nothing to me. In fact I got back to bed and I said to my wife, ‘Shit, you know what I better call my boss.’ I call my boss and said, ‘Fred, it’s Bill. Dick Downing just called me and here’s what’s going on. He told me there were three eighteen-year olds skateboarding with marijuana in the car. He [Dick Downing] says it’s not Haidl’s. He [Fred] says, ‘Well whose is it?’ I said, ‘I don’t know, its marijuana, I didn’t ask him.’ He [Fred] said, ‘Ok, well in the morning just give me call with the details and the names.’ I said, ‘Great.’ I go back to bed. I go in the morning, the next morning and they work midnight shift, they were gone, the deputy and sergeant handling it. I looked for the sergeants log and 99% of the time the sergeants turn in the log. It’s not uncommon though that they forget or there was nothing relevant and it doesn’t get turned in. But there’s no sergeants log. So I have my secretary get me the deputy’s log. And I call my boss and it says no prosecution on there, but again it’s a marijuana case so it doesn’t mean anything to me. Well I call my boss and say, ‘What do you want to know?’ He [Fred] says, ‘Who are they?’ [Hunt replies] ‘Here’s where they are, here are the names, here’s where it occurred, no prosecution.’ [Fred asks] ‘What does that mean?’ I said, ‘I guess they didn’t charge anybody.’ He [Fred ] goes, ‘Fine, we’re done.’ I think I’m done.

So about four or five days later, I think it happened on a Sunday night, that was a Monday morning. Well that Friday I get a call from my boss, Fred. He says, ‘Hey, what happened with the Haidl thing?’ I says, ‘Shit, I don’t know Fred, Dick handled it.’ He goes, ‘Do me a favor, I’m coming from a meeting and people are talking about it; the marijuana was destroyed, destruction of evidence, preferential treatment, and everything else.’ I said ‘What?’ He [Fred] goes, ‘Just look into it and see what happened.’ So I call Dick Downing who was the sergeant. I said ‘Dick, what happened with the Haidl thing?’ [Dick Downing replies] ‘Nothing.’ [Hunt asks] ‘What do you mean nothing happened?’ Dick Downing replies] ‘Well, Roche,’ who was the deputy on assignment, ‘had cert training that day in the morning for long gun shooting and he was off for three days and I was sick that night and I’ve been off for three days and we were going to come in tonight.’ Now to give you some reference as to why this wasn’t an alarm to me is because this was a marijuana case. These deputies are busy and sometimes they don’t write reports that are non-custody arrests, it’s not uncommon. So I ask [Dick Downing], ‘Where’s the marijuana?’ [Downing replies] ‘In my file cabinet.’ I go, ‘What’s it doing in your file cabinet, Dick?’ [Dick Downing replies] ‘Well I was going to handle it when I got in on Monday.’ [Hunt asks] ‘Why didn’t you just book it?’ He [Dick Downing] said ‘I was just going to see what happens and book it.’ I said, ‘Here’s what you’re going to do. Your going to come in here right now and book the marijuana. I’m going to call Roche and handle this thing.’ I call Roche and asked him, “Roche, what happened with the Haidl thing?’ [Roche replies] ‘Nothing.’ [Hunt asks] ‘What do you mean nothing?’ [Roche] replies, ‘Well, we just kicked him loose.’ [Hunt says] ‘Give me the circumstances.’ [Roche replies] ‘I went up they were skateboarding, all three were out of the car and I had them all sit on the curb, and I go look in the car and I can see some marijuana on the backseat next to a like an empty bottle and a pack of cigarettes.’ I said, ‘Ok whose were they?’ He [Roche] goes, ‘They were Haidl’s’ [Hunt asks] ‘Was the marijuana Haidl’s?’ [Roche replies] ‘He denied it but I though it was.’ [Hunt] ‘Ok, so what happened?’ [Roche] ‘I talked to the driver, the driver owned the car, he denied it and said it wasn’t his. And I talked to the kid,’ this is the first time I hear the term “kid” and I go, ‘What kid?’ [Roche] ‘The sixteen-year old.’ I go, ‘There wasn’t a sixteen-year old.’ He [Roche] goes, ‘Yeah, there was a sixteen-year old.’ I said, ‘Ok, what did the kid say?’ [Roche replies] ‘Well the kid said it was his dope.’ [Hunt asks] ‘Ok, so what did you do with the kid?’ [Roche answers] ‘We kicked him loose.’ [Hunt] ‘So let me get this straight. What did you do with Haidl?’ [Roche] ‘I drove him home.’ [Hunt repeats] ‘You drove Haidl home, but you kicked the kid who admitted to possession of marijuana. You let him drive home with this twenty-year old.’ [Roche] ‘Yeah.’ I said, ‘Ok what are you doing right now.’ [Roche] ‘I’m watching my kids.’ [Hunt] ‘You need to be in here. Dick Downing is coming in to get your dope in. You’re going to get your god damn report ready.’ He [Roche] says, ‘Fine.’ So I got a meeting to go to so I call in a second sergeant who is my administrative sergeant, Nancy Gafner. I go, ‘Nancy, we have a cluster-fuck with the Haidl deal on Sunday night. Dick’s coming in to bring in Roche’s dope. Roche has got to come in and write his report and get this thing handled. You take care of it while I’m going to be gone.’ She says, ‘No problem.’ So I leave and come back a couple of hours later and she says, ‘Roche is in taking care of his report.’ I said ‘Great. Let me know when it’s done.’ My intention was to just call my boss and let him know yeah it’s done everything is booked. So then she [Nancy] comes in a few minutes later and she’s got the report. She goes, ‘I wanted to get your opinion on this.’ [Hunt asks] ‘On what?’ She goes, ‘Well, I’m not happy with this report.’ [Hunt asks] ‘What’s the problem?’ [Nancy replies] ‘Well, he [Roche] has a comment here that I don’t think belongs here.’ So I read the report and he is writing a possession of marijuana on the kid. But he writes in there …blah, blah, blah, ‘I talked to the driver, he said it wasn’t his. I talked to Haidl, he said it wasn’t his. I talked to the sixteen-year old and said it was his,’ comma, ‘but I didn’t believe him, I thought it was Haidl’s.’ So I see her point, she’s right. In police reports unless it’s like a traffic accident where you have a professional opinion, you don’t put opinions in, you put the facts because this is supposed to go to the DA who’s going to try the facts. Now if your writing possession on this kid who admitted it and you put in there you didn’t believe him, what’s the DA going to do? So we call Roche in because I want to get his mind set. I only talked to him on the phone and I was already pissed at him then. I go, ‘What’s the story here, Roche?’ [Roche] ‘I think it was Haidl’s dope.’ I said, ‘We all got that. I understand that but what are you writing here?’ [Roche] “Possession on the kid.’ And so then I have a long discussion with him. I go, ‘Look. We all know our police out here know plenty of houses they are dealing dope out of but you can’t just go kick the door down, right. We have probable cause we have to meet, people have constitutional rights. You can’t arrest people just because you don’t like them or because they’re Don Haidl’s kid.’ And Roche is a very black and white guy and he’s kind of a just the facts guy. Great guy, very good deputy, excellent training officer. But he’s got a stick up his ass over Haidl. I’ve worked dope all over the county with thousands of dollars and piles of dope. Marijuana means nothing to me. I ‘m just trying to get him to see to do this thing right. I say, “Look, you essentially have two things you can do. You can go constructive possession on everybody because everybody technically had access to the car and it could have been everybody’s. Or you could go possession on the kid because he admitted it. But you can’t write the report on the kid with this statement in here, it doesn’t make sense. I support Nancy on that. So we talked over and he decided he would take that out and file it. Then I reviewed the tape on this thing.”

Hunt continues, “You have never seen a more solid confession in your life. He [Roche] was convinced that it was Haidl’s dope and it probably was. And I believe that at some point eighteen moths later the grand jury determined it was. But basically he [Roche] talks to the driver, ‘is this your dope,’ he [driver] says ‘No, I never saw it, it’s not my dope,’ blah, blah, blah. Same thing to Haidl, ‘It’s not mine.’ [Roche replies] Bullshit, you’re a liar. [Haidl] ‘It isn’t.’ [Roche] ‘Yeah, bullshit. Why are you letting him take the heat? You’re out on bail. You’re just letting him take it?’ [Haidl] ‘No, I’m not.’, blah, blah, blah. The kid same thing. [Roche] ‘You’re just covering for him.’ [sixteen-year old] ‘No I’m not.’ [Roche] ‘Yeah it is his. What’s it doing back there with his stuff?’ He [sixteen-year old] says ‘You know what, I got out of the car and I realized I had pot in my pocket and I thought if the cops pulled up I don’t want the pot in my pocket and I reached in the back seat and dropped it there.’ That’s the kids explanation. [Hunt to Roche] ‘You decide. If you’re going to be charging the kid, that statement doesn’t belong in your report.’ Now Roche isn’t saying much. He isn’t happy about it but he doesn’t sit and bitch about it. But he was apparently not happy with that; he thought control and everything was taken out of his hands. Which it should have been. If it gets to a lieutenant’s desk, you had a chance to do your job in the field and so did the sergeant. If it’s a week later and you still didn’t do your job and its becoming a political nightmare, then you don’t have authority left to make that decision, you lost that. We’re going to make sure it gets done right which is what I did. I called my boss and said, ‘Here it is, this is what happened.’ I went in and told the grand jury just what I just told you. Ultimately, the department ended up doing an investigation and they determined that I was at fault for improperly telling the deputy to take that statement out of his report. Then they submitted that report to the attorney general’s office. The attorney general didn’t do an independent investigation. No one ever talked to my sergeant. They essentially criticized me for that action. There are times you may not agree with what I’m doing but I violated no law, no policy, I was trying to find the right solution for that problem and I still believe it was. The DA could have filed on Haidl if they wanted to, they had the facts. Once the attorney general’s report came back, Shroeder and Carona’s people leaked it. They’ve been saying I was involved in a cover up.
Sergeant Nancy Gafner's Signed Statement

But let’s fast forward to a year and a half later Scott Moxley pulls the phone records and finds a six minute conversation between George Jaramillo and Mike Carona that night. Because here’s what happened: I don’t find this out till two years later after this thing and the investigation. You can’t talk to your sergeant or your deputy about this incident when its under investigation. My sergeant didn’t know what to do. He called the watch commander, Loyd Downing, he’s a great guy but he’s a little bit of a kiss butt and he screwed this thing up because under the whole Carona administration, the first guy with the bad news to the boss looks good. So what he did, Dick Downing called him and basically said ‘Haidl’s here and he’s got dope.’ To which Loyd ends up calling Jaramillo who tells him ‘Don’t log it, take care of it.’ He says to Jaramillo ‘It’ll be our little secret.’ So he calls Dick Downing and tells him don’t log it which is why I didn’t get a sergeant’s log. But see Downing’s not dumb, what Downing did was this: he told Roche, ‘Log it. I’m not going to put it in the sergeant’s log.’ Because the sergeant’s log is an official log, but it’s not the official record like the deputy’s is. So you see Dick’s trying to walk the line.

He never called me. His intention of calling the watch commander was to get Haidl’s number so he could tell him ‘Hey, we got your kid out here, they've got dope, it’s not his dope, he’s not in trouble but I thought you should know since you’re an assistant sheriff and we’re about to drive him to his mom’s house, just giving you a heads-up.’ That was his intention but this watch commander gets involved he calls Jaramillo, Jaramillo calls Carona, and there’s a six minute conversation about what happened in the field. That’s why Dick was reluctant to tell me. He doesn’t want me to know about the conversation with the watch commander. Which I never did know about that until about two years later, I get a call from my buddy who was the San Juan Chief at the time, he’s the assistant sheriff they just let go. He says ‘Bill, you watching TV?’ I said ‘No.’ ‘Turn on channel X. They got the Haidl thing. You’re not going to believe this.’ And I sat down and watched it and I couldn’t believe it. And I knew we were F’d then. So what’s happened I got me and my captain who I’m communicating with who’s telling Jaramillo. Jaramillo never tells my captain about his conversations with people in the field. The watch commander never called my captain, never called me. This stuff is all going on outside of us. It’s a pot thing. Dave Lopez interviewed Carona and asks, ‘Did you get involved with this on October 26, 27, or 28?’ Carona responds, ‘No. No sir.’ Scott Moxley pulls up the record and there’s that six minute conversation with Jaramillo. So if you look at the indictment of Mike Carona, that’s on page 19. It says in there defendant Carona, defendant Jaramillo, and co-defendant Don Haidl conspired to arrange for preferential treatment for co-defendant Haidl’s kid. And they don’t mention me in there.

But remember, the attorney general didn’t know about this. They didn’t do an independent investigation. They didn’t pull phone records. They took a corrupt Sheriff’s word on an investigation that only looked at us and didn’t look at their involvements. My captain went to Jaramillo several times and said let me go to the media and explain it. This is a nothing deal that you let spin out of control. They wouldn’t let us and that’s why. If they found out what our involvement was it didn’t make sense with what happened on the back end. They wouldn’t be able to get the stories straight.”

http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/breaking_news/2007/10/carona_indictment.pdf

http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/breaking_news/2008/10/indictment.pdf

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/29/local/me-anderson29 LA Times on Anderson at San Clemente City Council meeting

http://www.ocweekly.com/2003-12-04/news/our-little-secret/ R. Scott Moxley “Our Little Secret”

1 comment:

  1. After some follow-up emails, Bill Hunt had this to add:
    "One other thing of note. The department never provided me a copy of the Attorney General's report that they used to discipline me, even when we requested it for appealing the written reprimand. I've never received a copy to date. Yet, Michael Schroder, Carona's attorney, political advisor and chief apologist somehow got a copy and leaked it to the press. They re-released a copy at the CRA convention to stop them from endorsing me."

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My Grandma - A Eulogy

LET'S TALK ABOUT 1914 FOR A MOMENT.



FOR STARTERS, GRANDMA WAS BORN TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 1914 IN HER FAMILY'S ATWOOD RANCH HOUSE.



IT IS WORTH NOTING THOSE ALSO BORN IN 1914:

JACK LALANNE

JOE DIMAGGIO

DANNY THOMAS



AND WHO DIED IN 1914:

JOHN MUIR, THE FAMOUS NATURALIST FOR WHICH NUMEROUS ROADS, PARKS, HOTELS, AND NATURE RESERVES ARE NAMED.



IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT IN 1914 WOODROW WILSON SIGNS MOTHER'S DAY PROCLAMATION AND BABE RUTH MAKES HIS MAJOR LEAGUE DEBUT WITH THE RED SOX. MOTHER'S DAY AND BASEBALL- TWO OF MY FAVORITES!! (PERHAPS HER NICKNAME "BABE" CAME FROM BABE RUTH???)



GRANDMA WAS BORN INTO A PERIOD OF TIME FILLED WITH TURMOIL. IN JUNE OF 1914 ARCHDUKE FRANZS FERDINAND WAS ASSASSINATED. WITHIN ONE MONTH WORLD WAR I RAGED ACROSS EUROPE. TWO DAYS AFTER HER BIRTH HOWEVER, GERMAN AND BRITISH TROOPS INTERRUPTED WWI TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. (PERHAPS THEY PAUSE KNOWING THAT A GREAT WOMAN WAS BORNE) WORLD WAR I CONTINUED UNTIL THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES IN 1919.



ALTHOUGH SHE WAS ONLY 5 YEARS OLD, SHE SAW THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS CREATED AND THE 19TH AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE U.S. CONGRESS GUARANTEEING THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN TO VOTE.



SHE LIVED THROUGH MANY NOTABLE EVENTS. LIKE THE 1933 LONG BEACH EARTHQUAKE OR WHEN ATWOOD FLOODED ALONG WITH MOST OF ORANGE COUNTY IN 1938 AND THE FLOOD-WATERS CLAIMED MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE, 43 OF WHICH WERE FROM ATWOOD! ALL OF THIS DURING A TIME THAT WE READ ABOUT IN SCHOOL AND KNOWN AS "THE GREAT DEPRESSION". SOMEWHERE IN ALL OF THAT SHE FOUND THE LOVE OF HER LIFE, GRANDPA LEO, GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL, GOT MARRIED, AND HAD KIDS!



THEN THERE WAS WORLD WAR II. FROM PEARL HARBOR TO HIROSHIMA, GRANDMA WAS RAISING MY UNCLE BOB AND MOM ARLINE. WITH AIR-RAID SIRENS AND BLACKOUTS SHE WAS A WIFE AND MOTHER. WHAT A TIME TO RAISE CHILDREN! I BET GRANDMA'S PARENTS WERE ABEL TO TELL HER A THING OR TWO ABOUT RAISING KIDS IN WARTIME.



GRANDMA WAS THERE WHEN THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA HELD THEIR 3RD ANNUAL NATIONAL JAMBOREE IN 1953. SHE SAW AIRBASES OPEN IN '42 AND CLOSE IN '99. SHE WATCHED WALTER KNOTT START UP HIS BERRY FARM AND WALT DISNEY TURN ORANGE GROVES AND STRAWBERRY PATCHES INTO DISNEYLAND!



SHE SAW THE HORSE AND CARRIAGE FADE AWAY INTO HISTORY AND SPACE TRAVEL EXPLODE BEFORE HER WITH THE FIRST LUNAR LANDING. JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST 100 YEARS. FROM TUBE RECTIFIERS TO SUPERCONDUCTORS; FROM TRANS-ATLANTIC TELEGRAPH CABLES TO SATELLITE TV.



SHE SAW MORE IN HER 93 YEARS THAN MOST OF US WILL EVER READ ABOUT, LET ALONE LIVE THROUGH!



OF THOSE 93 YEARS IT IS MY HONOR TO HAVE BEEN HER GRANDSON FOR 35 OF THEM. SHE WAS MY MOTHER WHEN MOM HAD TO WORK. SHE WIPED MY NOSE AND PUT FOOD IN MY MOUTH. SHE LET ME PLAY WITH GRANDPA EVEN THOUGH SHE NEEDED HIM TO TAKE HER TO THE STORE. SHE WAS MY GRANDMA AND I WILL MISS HER IMMENSELY.



JUST LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM; SHE DID THIS. SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING SO MANY GOOD PEOPLE INTO THIS WORLD AND TOGETHER TODAY. THIS IS HER LEGACY.



A Dedication To My Loving Wife, Stacey. Thank you for all you do for me!

Brad Paisley - I Thought I Loved You Then


I remember trying not to stare the night that I first met you
You had me mesmerized
3 weeks later in the front porch light taking 45 min to kiss you goodnight
I hadn’t told you yet but I thought I loved you then

Chorus
Now you’re my whole life now you’re my whole world
I just can’t believe the way I feel about you girl
Like a river meets the sea
Stronger than it’s ever been
We’ve come so far since that day
And I thought I loved you then.

I remember taking you back to right where I first met you
You were so surprised
There were people around
But I didn’t care I got down on one knee right there
And once again I thought I loved you then

Chorus
Now you’re my whole life now you’re my whole world
I just can’t believe the way I feel about you girl
Like a river meets the sea
Stronger than it’s ever been
We’ve come so far since that day
And I thought I loved you then.

I can just see you with a baby on the way
I can just see you when your hair is turning gray
What I can’t see is how I’m ever gonna love you more
But I’ve said that before.

Now you’re my whole life now you’re my whole world
I just can’t believe the way I feel about you girl
Well look back some day at this moment that we’re in
And I'll look at you and say I thought I loved you then
And I thought I loved you then...

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